Curse

Fear Me! · Mar 25, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

All the DOA quests regarding him show that he was a dedicated servant to the Canthan empire, and that it was his soul that was corrupted that made him the way he was; inspiration for this idea taken from the several npc dialogues from the quest 'A history of violence'. If I can enter a demonic domain and defeat a chained down god, surely, I can redeem Shiro's soul? I don't want him to have his boss skills, but merely want the opportunity to redeem him and have the option to join as a hero whatever-his-prof-is. It would be nice to redeem him and have him turned against Abaddon, or the remaining infrastructure. Why Shiro, and not Varesh or The lich? The npc dialogues from the aforementioned quest prove that he was a good person, and that his soul was corrupted by a demon, the others didn't need to be corrupted as they already were. Tragic heroes ftw.

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Originally Posted by Fear Me!

I've read through the many replies. There are some people who would like to redeem a fallen hero like Shiro, but then others don't want him because he's a sin, and then others only if he comes with his boss skills. What if after you redeem Shiro, you instead receive an item that can summon him as he is with all his boss skills as an npc helper to the party; he'll stay with you even if you die, and he himself ressurects with the party much like the EOTN quest npc's, but leaves once you zone? You could summon him via an item much like the black moa chick quest; a box that requires materials to sacrifice to summon him. There would be a total boss npc limit of one of course, you can't have all party members summon eight Shiros. It could go something like 'sacrifice however many ectos anet deems appropriate to justify a boss npc summons'. As for the mention of Kilroy Stonekin, you could use the same item, but you must place for example, ten level 5 alcohols in there in order for him to show. What do you guys think?

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 25, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

So if you killed the demon which corrupted him, thus freeing him (assuming a spell), he would want to serve the Canthan Empire again? Would the Canthan empire want Shiro to help them?

It sort of makes sense, and there's alot more to it, but I don't think it'd work.

Luminarus · Mar 25, 2008, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Nice Idea...

1 Problem hes a sin...

So we would gain another useless hero coz hero sin AI is flawed too much :P

Id luv it if they could fix the stupid sin AI (which i'd hope could be fixed first)

Free Runner · Mar 25, 2008, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Making Shiro a hero would screw up the lore. His spirit was destroyed once and for all in the Realm of Torment meaning to bring him up as a hero Anet would have to create a whole new excuse as to why he is still around. Plus it would not make sense - why would Shiro fight alongside those who killed him not once but twice?.

There is also no need for another Assassin Hero.

/notsigned

Trick · Mar 25, 2008, 02:16 AM // 02:16

I wouldnt use him even if you could, he killed my balding friend!

Bront · Mar 25, 2008, 02:19 AM // 02:19

It would be nice to have 3 heroes of each type, but I don't think Shiro would be a good candidate for the 3rd sin.

legion_rat · Mar 25, 2008, 02:20 AM // 02:20

/not signed as I dont see it working over all with the current story. and I think shiro is a prick. I do like the idea of redeeming someone and adding a new hero, just not him.

to the people hating on the sin AI, try crit/barrage. they use it pretty well. Of course its all they use pretty well but they can use it.

~the rat~

Nyree · Mar 25, 2008, 02:23 AM // 02:23

Sure! Why not! How about giving us Varesh and The Lich as heroes too?

Sir Pandra Pierva · Mar 25, 2008, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by Trick

I wouldnt use him even if you could, he killed my balding friend!

balding? i think togo needed to die for being annoying and useless the whole game

only for that action did shiro actualyl become one of my more liked guildwars characters

Marverick · Mar 25, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by legion_rat

/not signed as I dont see it working over all with the current story. and I think shiro is a prick. I do like the idea of redeeming someone and adding a new hero, just not him.

to the people hating on the sin AI, try crit/barrage. they use it pretty well. Of course its all they use pretty well but they can use it.

~the rat~

They use crit barrage pretty well because it's a crap build to begin with, so when compared to a player playing one, a hero performs "pretty well" with it.

Winterclaw · Mar 25, 2008, 02:51 AM // 02:51

There are a lot of other characters I'd like to see as heroes first. Shiro, with his unique skills, would be difficult to fit in.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 25, 2008, 03:56 AM // 03:56

My favorite boss as a hero? O.O I would love that!

But sadly, that won't be put in. And Free Runner, you sure his soul was destroyed? It never says that he was gone forever, so it would be easy to put him back in, same with the Lich and Varesh.

Before Shiro becomes a hero, I think Palawa Joko should replace Master of Whispers.

shru · Mar 25, 2008, 04:05 AM // 04:05

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Originally Posted by Someone Above Me

It would be nice to have 3 heroes of each type

Zomg hows about Togo as 3rd rit hero, and kormir as 3rd paragon, oh oh, and Varesh as 3rd dervish hero! We could realy use more anoying NPCs returning from the dead/god duties to bombared us with their greatness and awe inspiring wisdom.

/not signed because I had to wait nearly TWO full games to get rid of him

Bront · Mar 25, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by shru

Zomg hows about Togo as 3rd rit hero, and kormir as 3rd paragon, oh oh, and Varesh as 3rd dervish hero! We could realy use more anoying NPCs returning from the dead/god duties to bombared us with their greatness and awe inspiring wisdom.

/not signed because I had to wait nearly TWO full games to get rid of him

I never said anything about making currently popular stoyline NPCs heroes, just that having 3 of each type (instead of 3 of some, and 2 of others) would be nice.

Maybe I want to see how much fail a group of 3 Sin heroes would be.

Saint Zeth · Mar 25, 2008, 05:24 AM // 05:24

/signed

Only if he comes with Impossible Odds.

DarkFlame · Mar 25, 2008, 05:39 AM // 05:39

He's dead. Leave him in his grave.

Konig Des Todes · Mar 25, 2008, 07:22 AM // 07:22

A second thought about NPC becoming heroes. The only NPCs that I see that could even work out with the current storyline is Devona, Mhenlo, Eve, Aiden, and Cynn becoming heroes. That of course won't happen but would be more likely then Shiro (or any other sarcastic additions to heroes) becoming a hero.

But like I said, isn't going to happen because anet would have to remove the hench versions, make every mission excluding the shing jea missions and the luxon missions a "Mhenlo must be in party" and remove the Mhenlo NPC in those missions, then remove some current heroes which are side heroes of the same profession so that there will only be 25 heroes. The heroes most likely to be removed would be Olias for Eve, Goren for Devona, no clue about Mhenlo, all 3 monk heroes deal with the storylines, Jin for Aiden, and Sousuke for Cynn. Again, that idea won't happen, but if any NPC becomes a hero, it should/would be those 5.

myrealnameismatt · Mar 25, 2008, 08:12 AM // 08:12

Kilroy stonekin please!!

That skill he uses would be pretty useful in just about any situation ;D

Chilos · Mar 25, 2008, 11:48 AM // 11:48

ABADDON!!!!!!

/notsigned. Dude, why nemesis would join us?

Sethellington · Mar 25, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

i'd never use him cos he'd be a sin. sin heroes ftl